There is comfort in the testosterone pool. I don’t know that it has anything to do with bonding. We like who we like, don’t like who we don’t like, and frankly, we aren’t prone to ask each other about our feelings. That’s fine with me.
Sounds like a good time to talk about sports, fishing, motorcycles, golf, electric storms, basketball, motorcycles, baseball, tracking(hunting for some folks) and did I say motorcycles
Well it’s been a while since I’ve posted, but I am still Symply Fargone again.
At my SF club, it often ends up with four guys in the computer room playing Joint Operations together. (It’s a first-person shooter with special forces going against insurgents in the tropics.) We’ve had a few ladies try it, but none of them last for some reason.
Obviously, it’s what women think we do when we get together. Or pretend to think.
Welcome back, Fargone. I was afraid you Weregone.
John in LA late of PNS on 02 Dec 2009 at 3:29 pm #
Male Bonding OMFG!
I’d rather hang out w/ people of the female persuasion any day that some boring bunch of guys talking about sports, cars, etc., ad nauseum. Always amazed me why dudes would rather hang out w/ some hairy-legged GUY. Latent feelings perhaps?
To Ad lib Freddy Mercury a bit: “. . . girls you make the rockin’ world go round.”
Well, I enjoy talking baseball, and I have to bond online for that, as the women my age aren’t interested and the guys who are interested think I couldn’t possible know anything. But that’s Baseball Bonding, I guess. I too thougght male bonding involved duct tape. Except on cars, where BondO is used. (as my friend observed about her folks’ 1951 Mercury, “BondO don’t rust!”
Rick in Shermantown, Ohio on 03 Dec 2009 at 6:24 am #
My guess is that male bonding for some men is their way of avoiding wives who have become omnipresent.
Writing that line reminded me that Garrison Keillor wrote a piece about that. It involved the men going ice fishing to be away from “she who must be obeyed.”
Tom from Glendora, CA on 03 Dec 2009 at 11:40 am #
Rick in Shermantown, Ohio - SWMBO - Rumpole of the Bailey! Not sure if it was Rumpole or Garrison Keillor who first used that phrase. John Mortimer, creator of Rumpole passed away early this year.
I suspect that it was John Mortimer who coined that wonderful phrase.
John in LA late of PNS - I’d rather hang out w/ people of the female persuasion too, but SWMBO wouldn’t like that much.
“She Who Must Be Obeyed” was used by Mortimer’s Rumpole, but it originated with H. Rider Haggard’s novel, “She.” The title “She” is short for “She Who Must Be Obeyed.” The 1965 movie adaptation starred Ursula Andress as Ayesha (from the Arabic for She who must be obeyed). The 1935 RKO version of the movie had Helen Gahagan in the title role. There were a few other versions and a TV series.
Temüjin (aka Genghis Khan) had multiple wives and concubines, so I’m sure he didn’t lack for either female company or feminine comfort. (It’s good to be the king!) But I’m also sure that from time to time, he had a hankering to get together with some of the guys from the Hoard to shoot the yak and throw the knucklebones.
I think all men do male bonding, but we just don’t call it that. We work together, go to lunch, meet at church, hike a mountain, build a wall, cut down a few trees… but don’t call it male bonding.
And the women… I would rather be with my woman (wife), but it broadens and strengthens our relationship when we spend time with others, whether man or woman. (In the proper relationship)
Two of Haggard’s most well known novels, among the many he wrote, were “Allan Quatermain” and “King Solomon’s Mines.”
Rick in Shermantown, Ohio on 03 Dec 2009 at 7:50 pm #
Tom and Bob:
Sorry for the confusion; I mixed my references. I cannot recall the person on television whom I heard use “She Who Must Be Obeyed,” but it was not Keillor. I do remember that it was on some sort of talk program.
John in LA late of PNS on 03 Dec 2009 at 7:54 pm #
Oh my. SHE”. Thought you guys were talking about the Song “SHE” by the incomparable GRAM PARSONS. Hell of a Song. Didn’t know there was a She Book or movie. My bad. Any other Gram Parsons fans out there? Perhaps that “SHE” was Emmylou Harris? Just speculation on my part about Emmylou.
John In LA -
Yup, love that song. Both the GP version and the Emmylou version. Also The Pretenders version with Emmylou is very good.
-Karl
Steve from Royal Oak, MI on 03 Dec 2009 at 10:18 pm #
We will see if this gets moderated as I am in Chihuahua Mexico. I was really surprised this morning to find frost on the ground and the temperature hovering around freezing. Geography lesson: Chihuahua is 4800 ft above sea level. Which explains the cold temperature and why my nose gently bleeds.
Bad joke 1: The kids here are very smart. Their Spanish is much better than mine and I took 2 years in HS and 2 semesters at Purdue.
Bad Joke 2: No, I am not bringing back any dogs and there are no Taco Bells here. We get the real thing.
Go home tomorrow to Michigan where it MIGHT be warmer than here or we COULD get our first snowfall of the year.
I believe the quote, “She who must be obeyed” has been most commonly encountered through the British TV series Rumpole of the Bailey which was rerun on PSB. The main character, Rumpole, often quotes Wordsworth and secretly calls his wife Hilda “She Who Must Be Obeyed” (SWMBO), a reference to the novel She by H. Rider Haggard. You can find out more about it here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rumpole_of_the_Bailey
Jean from Dahlonega GA aka Trapper Jean on 04 Dec 2009 at 5:55 am #
All I know is that if I say “male bonding” in relation to any time my husband spends with his guy friends I get a really annoyed look in return. I think he associates it with the “real men don’t eat quiche” school of thought.
As for “She Who Must Be Obeyed” I tend to think first of Rumpole, then the Haggard novel. I do remember that Richard Chamberlain did one or two movies as Allan Quatermain.
Ah, yes. Ursula Undress … errr, I mean Andress. The subject of fantasies for many young men, including me, 40-some years ago. Remember her coming out of the surf in that bikini in Dr. No?
There are other “degrees of separation” between She, Ursula, Allan, and Dr. No.
Haggard wrote a prequel to “She,” uniting Ayesha and Quatermain in “She and Allan.”
Ursula was in “She” and “Dr. No.” Sean Connery was in “Dr. No,” and he played Allan Quatermain in “The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen.”
Ursula’s sister used to live (may still, I don’t know) in the area here. Back in the ’80s, she used to be a customer of a customer of mine. The two sisters looked remarkably alike.
Is it still true that, as the old song has it, “Down in Chihuahua there ain’t nothing much to do”?
Here’s another place to visit, from another old song:
Managua, Nicaragua is a wonderful town.
You buy a hacienda for a few pesos down.
You give it to the lady you are trying to win,
But her daddy will not yet you come in.
Mark in Boston,
Having spent a lot of time in the Mexican State of Chihuahua some years ago, I know that there were always many things to do. Unfortunately today, parts of the State of Chihuahua are not safe places to be. It’s a shame. But the city of Chihuahua is far enough from the border that it should be safer.
I read somewhere recently that the US military has made crossing parts of the border off limits to military personnel.
I don’t know about Managua. Never been there.
RE: Today’s cartoon. This particularly hit home as I just finished trimming and lighting the tree, putting garland and lights on my stairway, decorating every free space in my living room . My husband DID bring in the tree and set it up. Jimmy has been looking in our window also.
Brenty on 02 Dec 2009 at 8:58 am #
Who cares as long as you’re with your buds playing some cards and shooting the……..
John in Richmond Texas on 02 Dec 2009 at 9:42 am #
As long as it’s a group. Those one on one “bromances” like House and Wilson, on House MD, can get a little weird.
Greg from Robertsdale on 02 Dec 2009 at 9:57 am #
There is comfort in the testosterone pool. I don’t know that it has anything to do with bonding. We like who we like, don’t like who we don’t like, and frankly, we aren’t prone to ask each other about our feelings. That’s fine with me.
sandcastler on 02 Dec 2009 at 10:21 am #
All this time I thought male bonding had to do with duct tape projects Glory be, everyday this old dog learns something new.
Symply Fargone on 02 Dec 2009 at 11:30 am #
Sounds like a good time to talk about sports, fishing, motorcycles, golf, electric storms, basketball, motorcycles, baseball, tracking(hunting for some folks) and did I say motorcycles
Well it’s been a while since I’ve posted, but I am still Symply Fargone again.
Frankthecurmudgeon on 02 Dec 2009 at 11:51 am #
Boys will be boys and girls will be mothers.
Mindy on 02 Dec 2009 at 2:11 pm #
Male bonding…and then you guys make fun of FEMALE bonding!
sideburns on 02 Dec 2009 at 2:11 pm #
At my SF club, it often ends up with four guys in the computer room playing Joint Operations together. (It’s a first-person shooter with special forces going against insurgents in the tropics.) We’ve had a few ladies try it, but none of them last for some reason.
Mindy on 02 Dec 2009 at 2:15 pm #
Sideburns, sounds good! What’s the game’s name?
[Tomboy] Mindy
Jim in SE Mississippi on 02 Dec 2009 at 2:55 pm #
Obviously, it’s what women think we do when we get together. Or pretend to think.
Welcome back, Fargone. I was afraid you Weregone.
John in LA late of PNS on 02 Dec 2009 at 3:29 pm #
Male Bonding OMFG!
I’d rather hang out w/ people of the female persuasion any day that some boring bunch of guys talking about sports, cars, etc., ad nauseum. Always amazed me why dudes would rather hang out w/ some hairy-legged GUY. Latent feelings perhaps?
To Ad lib Freddy Mercury a bit: “. . . girls you make the rockin’ world go round.”
Mary in Ohio on 02 Dec 2009 at 4:51 pm #
Well, I enjoy talking baseball, and I have to bond online for that, as the women my age aren’t interested and the guys who are interested think I couldn’t possible know anything. But that’s Baseball Bonding, I guess. I too thougght male bonding involved duct tape. Except on cars, where BondO is used. (as my friend observed about her folks’ 1951 Mercury, “BondO don’t rust!”
K in ND on 02 Dec 2009 at 7:34 pm #
Mary -
Here, we use JB Weld. Well…occasionally.
K
Rick in Shermantown, Ohio on 03 Dec 2009 at 6:24 am #
My guess is that male bonding for some men is their way of avoiding wives who have become omnipresent.
Writing that line reminded me that Garrison Keillor wrote a piece about that. It involved the men going ice fishing to be away from “she who must be obeyed.”
Tom from Glendora, CA on 03 Dec 2009 at 11:40 am #
Rick in Shermantown, Ohio - SWMBO - Rumpole of the Bailey! Not sure if it was Rumpole or Garrison Keillor who first used that phrase. John Mortimer, creator of Rumpole passed away early this year.
I suspect that it was John Mortimer who coined that wonderful phrase.
John in LA late of PNS - I’d rather hang out w/ people of the female persuasion too, but SWMBO wouldn’t like that much.
Bob, near Mark on 03 Dec 2009 at 12:15 pm #
“She Who Must Be Obeyed” was used by Mortimer’s Rumpole, but it originated with H. Rider Haggard’s novel, “She.” The title “She” is short for “She Who Must Be Obeyed.” The 1965 movie adaptation starred Ursula Andress as Ayesha (from the Arabic for She who must be obeyed). The 1935 RKO version of the movie had Helen Gahagan in the title role. There were a few other versions and a TV series.
sideburns on 03 Dec 2009 at 2:23 pm #
Mindy, it’s just Joint Ops, as far as I know.
Bob, Kelly Freas did a beautiful cover for it once, using his wife Laura as the model.
Ghost Rider 6 on 03 Dec 2009 at 2:54 pm #
Re Male Bonding:
Temüjin (aka Genghis Khan) had multiple wives and concubines, so I’m sure he didn’t lack for either female company or feminine comfort. (It’s good to be the king!) But I’m also sure that from time to time, he had a hankering to get together with some of the guys from the Hoard to shoot the yak and throw the knucklebones.
Leary on 03 Dec 2009 at 4:19 pm #
I think all men do male bonding, but we just don’t call it that. We work together, go to lunch, meet at church, hike a mountain, build a wall, cut down a few trees… but don’t call it male bonding.
And the women… I would rather be with my woman (wife), but it broadens and strengthens our relationship when we spend time with others, whether man or woman. (In the proper relationship)
Bob, near Mark on 03 Dec 2009 at 7:05 pm #
Sideburns,
It’s almost hard to believe that “She” was written in 1887.
For those who would be interested in reading the novel, there’s a free on-line copy available at Project Gutenberg’s website.
http://www.gutenberg.org/etext/3155
Two of Haggard’s most well known novels, among the many he wrote, were “Allan Quatermain” and “King Solomon’s Mines.”
Rick in Shermantown, Ohio on 03 Dec 2009 at 7:50 pm #
Tom and Bob:
Sorry for the confusion; I mixed my references. I cannot recall the person on television whom I heard use “She Who Must Be Obeyed,” but it was not Keillor. I do remember that it was on some sort of talk program.
John in LA late of PNS on 03 Dec 2009 at 7:54 pm #
Oh my. SHE”. Thought you guys were talking about the Song “SHE” by the incomparable GRAM PARSONS. Hell of a Song. Didn’t know there was a She Book or movie. My bad. Any other Gram Parsons fans out there? Perhaps that “SHE” was Emmylou Harris? Just speculation on my part about Emmylou.
Karl on 03 Dec 2009 at 10:03 pm #
John In LA -
Yup, love that song. Both the GP version and the Emmylou version. Also The Pretenders version with Emmylou is very good.
-Karl
Steve from Royal Oak, MI on 03 Dec 2009 at 10:18 pm #
We will see if this gets moderated as I am in Chihuahua Mexico. I was really surprised this morning to find frost on the ground and the temperature hovering around freezing. Geography lesson: Chihuahua is 4800 ft above sea level. Which explains the cold temperature and why my nose gently bleeds.
Bad joke 1: The kids here are very smart. Their Spanish is much better than mine and I took 2 years in HS and 2 semesters at Purdue.
Bad Joke 2: No, I am not bringing back any dogs and there are no Taco Bells here. We get the real thing.
Go home tomorrow to Michigan where it MIGHT be warmer than here or we COULD get our first snowfall of the year.
Sili on 03 Dec 2009 at 10:33 pm #
The hed makes this one.
Bigot!
Lindy from Eureka, CA on 04 Dec 2009 at 3:10 am #
I believe the quote, “She who must be obeyed” has been most commonly encountered through the British TV series Rumpole of the Bailey which was rerun on PSB. The main character, Rumpole, often quotes Wordsworth and secretly calls his wife Hilda “She Who Must Be Obeyed” (SWMBO), a reference to the novel She by H. Rider Haggard. You can find out more about it here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rumpole_of_the_Bailey
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Jean from Dahlonega GA aka Trapper Jean on 04 Dec 2009 at 5:55 am #
All I know is that if I say “male bonding” in relation to any time my husband spends with his guy friends I get a really annoyed look in return. I think he associates it with the “real men don’t eat quiche” school of thought.
As for “She Who Must Be Obeyed” I tend to think first of Rumpole, then the Haggard novel. I do remember that Richard Chamberlain did one or two movies as Allan Quatermain.
My favorite song She is the one the Monkees did.
Jeff in Ann Arbor on 04 Dec 2009 at 8:37 am #
Ah, yes. Ursula Undress … errr, I mean Andress. The subject of fantasies for many young men, including me, 40-some years ago. Remember her coming out of the surf in that bikini in Dr. No?
Bob, near Mark on 04 Dec 2009 at 9:48 am #
There are other “degrees of separation” between She, Ursula, Allan, and Dr. No.
Haggard wrote a prequel to “She,” uniting Ayesha and Quatermain in “She and Allan.”
Ursula was in “She” and “Dr. No.” Sean Connery was in “Dr. No,” and he played Allan Quatermain in “The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen.”
Ursula’s sister used to live (may still, I don’t know) in the area here. Back in the ’80s, she used to be a customer of a customer of mine. The two sisters looked remarkably alike.
Anonymous on 04 Dec 2009 at 1:16 pm #
Did I miss anyone’s obvious answer??? It’s all about duck tape, of course.
Kevin on 04 Dec 2009 at 5:30 pm #
Walter E. Williams, syndicated columnist and radio personality, often refers to his wife as She Who Must Be Obeyed.
Mark in Boston on 04 Dec 2009 at 8:34 pm #
Steve from R.O.:
Is it still true that, as the old song has it, “Down in Chihuahua there ain’t nothing much to do”?
Here’s another place to visit, from another old song:
Managua, Nicaragua is a wonderful town.
You buy a hacienda for a few pesos down.
You give it to the lady you are trying to win,
But her daddy will not yet you come in.
Bob, near Mark on 04 Dec 2009 at 10:29 pm #
Mark in Boston,
Having spent a lot of time in the Mexican State of Chihuahua some years ago, I know that there were always many things to do. Unfortunately today, parts of the State of Chihuahua are not safe places to be. It’s a shame. But the city of Chihuahua is far enough from the border that it should be safer.
I read somewhere recently that the US military has made crossing parts of the border off limits to military personnel.
I don’t know about Managua. Never been there.
Marje on 07 Dec 2009 at 2:00 pm #
RE: Today’s cartoon. This particularly hit home as I just finished trimming and lighting the tree, putting garland and lights on my stairway, decorating every free space in my living room . My husband DID bring in the tree and set it up. Jimmy has been looking in our window also.
Bob, near Mark on 07 Dec 2009 at 2:59 pm #
Marje,
I had to put the tree in the stand for my next-door neighbor a few nights ago.