Nov 6th 2018 08:16 am Museum Quality

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Remember that great episode of “The Dick Van Dyke Show?” I know: I have to be more specific than that. Laura Petrie (Mary Tyler Moore) has her portrait painted as a special gift for husband Rob (Dick Van Dyke). She is wearing a smart black blouse and slacks that he particularly favors, but the quirky artist paints her as nude. Of course, we never see the painting, but the fact was made very obvious. Incensed when she finally sees the finished painting, Laura destroys it by smearing it with paint and runs out of the studio in a huff. Except it isn’t destroyed. It’s hard to relate today how avant-garde this script was on network television in the 1960′s. It is what made “The Dick Van Dyke Show” ground-breaking and popular. So what happened next? Well, it’s a long story, but I’ve always thought Rob would have been quite pleased to have the artist’s version. I guess 60′s television wasn’t quite ready for that.

Today's "Arlo & Janis!"

Posted by jimmyjohnson / Vintage A&J

73 Responses to “Museum Quality”

  1. JoeyB on 06 Nov 2018 at 8:30 am #

    As I recall, the artist was the great comedian Carl Reiner, now 96 years old, and father of Rob Reiner. Carl also played Rob Petrie’s boss, Alan Brady, and a few other roles as well. He was the Dick Van Dyke Show’s creator, producer, writer, and actor. Truly a genius.

  2. TruckerRon on 06 Nov 2018 at 9:07 am #

    The episode was titled October Eve, and Carl Reiner did play the artist:

    https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0559790/

  3. TruckerRon on 06 Nov 2018 at 9:10 am #

    And if anyone wants to watch it on YouTube:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ComdWBvE7o

    I’m at work, so I’ll have to wait until I get home tonight to watch it myself. :(

  4. Bookworm on 06 Nov 2018 at 5:18 pm #

    Thank you, TruckerRon. I appreciate the link — it was a good episode!

  5. Steve From Royal Oak, MI on 06 Nov 2018 at 5:36 pm #

    My imagination ran wild thinking of Laura with her toe stuck in the faucet in the bathtub

  6. TruckerRon on 06 Nov 2018 at 7:13 pm #

    Oh, yes! The episode was Never Bathe on Saturday. The details are at:

    https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0559786/

    I was just 11 when it aired, so I was busier laughing at the awkwardness of the situation and marveling at what motivated her to stick her toe into the spigot!

  7. TruckerRon on 06 Nov 2018 at 7:15 pm #

    Today, many years later, my thoughts work differently!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dUUIdNmUSrA

  8. Mark in TTown on 07 Nov 2018 at 6:31 am #

    I hope they checked those plants for hitch-hikers first!

  9. emb on 07 Nov 2018 at 6:44 am #

    There: young elephant, warm. Here: 1/2″ snow on lawn.

    https://explore.org/livecams/african-wildlife/african-animal-lookout-camera

    Peace,

  10. Bill in Paducah on 07 Nov 2018 at 6:47 am #

    Jimmy, for those of us “of a certain age”, your first 10 words were sufficient – no specificity needed.

  11. Terrence Feenstra on 07 Nov 2018 at 6:50 am #

    So, Jimmy, I’ve purchased two additional signed copies (thanks for that) of Beaucoup Arlo & Janis. Please keep up the great work so someday in the future my daughters will have a legacy.

  12. Terrence Feenstra on 07 Nov 2018 at 6:51 am #

    They say investing in art is always worthwhile. For the enjoyment or financial return.

  13. Mark in TTown on 07 Nov 2018 at 7:51 am #

    Buy for the enjoyment, then anything else is icing on the cake. After all, those hundred thousand dollar comics of today were yesterday’s 10 cent entertainment for children.

  14. emb on 07 Nov 2018 at 8:00 am #

    Mature fish scavenger at Great Spirit

    https://explore.org/livecams/birds/falcon-nest-cam

    Peace

  15. Old Bear on 07 Nov 2018 at 3:20 pm #

    Happy Birthday Ghost even if it is a day late.

  16. Jackie on 08 Nov 2018 at 2:20 am #

    We celebrated Ghosts birthday last night, four of our employees birthdays, my completing current cancer radiation round of daily radiation for three weeks and possibly early Thanksgiving with a huge turkey feast at our favorite local restaurant. Plus chocolate birthday cake.

    It’s breakfast too. Dickens is eating leftover turkey.

  17. Ken from Framingham on 08 Nov 2018 at 7:22 am #

    I know you agree with me, Jimmy, that Laura Petrie was hot as can be, while Mary Richards was somehow not.

  18. emb on 08 Nov 2018 at 8:09 am #

    Just saw this on the weather channel. Peace,

    https://weather.com/news/trending/video/rare-sperm-whale-sighting-in-arctic

  19. TruckerRon on 08 Nov 2018 at 9:09 am #

    Ken, do you think that was that the result of the writing or the acting?

  20. Carlton, the doorman on 08 Nov 2018 at 2:46 pm #

    I would say the writing. The MTM show did not have weak writing, just a different focus. We enjoy Jimmy’s work with Arlo and Janis because of the wide appeal of showcasing a couple’s personal interactions set against contemporary topics. When the focus shifts to those contemporary topics with less emphasis on two people who love each other, some of the magic is lost.

  21. Sideburns on 08 Nov 2018 at 9:27 pm #

    I think that it was mostly a matter of the writers not wanting the two characters to be too much the same.

  22. emb on 08 Nov 2018 at 9:30 pm #

    BTW, doesn’t anyone else think the Sunday comic up top is hilarious? I don’t remember seeing the original, but I must have. I’ve been reminded of Elaine by one artistic image and another, / anatomy or spirit, but have never made such a public goof.

    “Play Days” at the Como Conservatory in St. Paul is obviously in spirit; I didn’t know her when she was that young.

    Peace,

  23. TruckerRon on 09 Nov 2018 at 9:34 am #

    emb, were you referring to this one?

    https://www.christies.com/lotfinder/Lot/harriet-whitney-frishmuth-1880-1980-play-days-5846423-details.aspx

  24. Sideburns on 09 Nov 2018 at 5:56 pm #

    One of the greatest Dick Van Dyke episodes was the one with the Twilo Zone in it. (It May Look Like a Walnut) I gather that the bit about Laura riding the wave of walnuts out of the closet was unrehearsed because it would have taken several hours to set back up.

    Another one, of course, is when their son found out that his middle name was Rosebud. I’ve never understood, though, why all of those relatives thought they had the right to dictate what the baby’s name was going to be.

  25. emb on 09 Nov 2018 at 9:48 pm #

    Trucker: Yes, but here she is from five angles. Delightful sculpture in lovely surroundings. And, as Elaine said, “All men are … .”

    http://www.comozooconservatory.org/attractions/art/play-days/#/info

    Peace,

  26. Rick in Shermantown, Ohio on 10 Nov 2018 at 6:49 am #

    “Museum quality”

    Not sure that I ever want to be museum quality.

    The only things that I ever see in museums are relics and other objects that are interesting and informative but no longer usable in the modern world.

    It’s like the Rock ‘n’ Roll Museum. They have a museum? That’s proof positive that rock ‘n’ roll is gone and that the musicians are not relevant in the way they used to be.

  27. Ken from Framingham on 10 Nov 2018 at 6:59 am #

    TruckerRon, as to what the difference in my gut-reaction to MTM was caused by– writing or acting– I hadn’t given it any thought at all in my youth. Laura was simply very appealing! Mary Richards was not. But I now suppose each was written that way, and MTM brought them to life as conceived. Plus Laura wore Capri pants! It was also true, as others say, that in the context of a loving relationship, Laura had a certain sparkle in her eyes. I could put myself in Rob’s place as he gazed lovingly into those eyes and imagine what it felt like to have that gaze returned! If I put myself in Lou Grant’s place, I would just feel like her mentor…

  28. TruckerRon on 10 Nov 2018 at 8:05 am #

    Ken: I do believe MTM had a rare talent for projecting the character’s feelings. Do you remember the episode from The Mary Tyler Moore Show, “You Try To Be a Nice Guy”? That ridiculously revealing dress didn’t make Mary look as sexy as those Capri pants. I think it was her character’s reactions that made it simply embarrassing:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3qVc-Krw4A

  29. Ghost on 10 Nov 2018 at 5:24 pm #

    What is it about Tulsa and women rubbing my butt? (Remember the Religious Store Incident?)

    We found a great Mexican food eatery in Tulsa, not far from where Jackie has been getting her just-completed radiation treatments. Unlike most restaurants of that genre, the floor plan is that of an old-time diner…booths along one side wall, a counter with round swiveling stools along the other, and tables and chairs in the middle.

    Since her sessions were usually over by 1:30 pm, it was an ideal time to eat and miss the lunch-hour rush. However, one day recently she got treated ahead of schedule, and we arrived to find their rush in full swing. The only two vacant seats were at the far end of the counter. But we both like to eat at diner counters, so we happily took those spots.

    I was on the very end, next to the kitchen door, where there was a narrow opening for the waitresses to go behind the counter and pick up their orders at the window into the kitchen. In fact, the opening at the end of the counter was so narrow that every cute little señora and señorita that walked by me (all seven of them) rubbed her butt against mine, every time they passed me, in either direction. Whether or not that was intentional, only they could say. But every one of them, every time?

    Fortunately, I’m very easygoing, so I didn’t complain or make an issue of it. :)

  30. curmudgeonly ex-professor on 10 Nov 2018 at 7:28 pm #

    On Oct. 19, I made a purchase [via a well-known auction site] from England. Item was about half a page and maybe 6 layers thick. I was billed about $10.50 – $11.00 for registered mail, and I had no choice in the matter.

    It arrived today, three weeks(!) afterwards! It took 4 days just to cross the ocean, apparently via tired seagull. When my item got to Chicago, it spent all of ten days just sitting there. [Normally, the next day it'd be at my local facility, thence to my door.] Then, in the infinite wisdom of the postal people or their robots, instead of sending the item westward towards my residence in northern IL, the powers-that-be sent it to Cincinnati, OH!

    I suspect some of my postage was an extra charge for the tour as well as a Chicago storage fee.

    A different item sent from New York City last Sunday and expected on Tuesday (according to the site) made it here on Friday, having been sent to St. Louis first. Oh, well – that seems a little better….

    I always considered MTM a very attractive woman. While I never watched her as Mrs. Petrie, I often watched her as the foil for Asner, et. al. Yep, the difference was in the writing and the intent. Having a caring, wifely role ought to involve some degree of occasional sexiness, while being an office person with no love interest in sight is entirely different.

  31. curmudgeonly ex-professor on 10 Nov 2018 at 7:43 pm #

    No period after “et”.
    Rechecking, the Atlantic crossing was much nearer 5 days, being more than 4 days 19 hours.

  32. Jackie on 10 Nov 2018 at 7:50 pm #

    Consider how good Mary Tyler Moore was to carry that off while an alcoholic, as was Dick Van Dyke.

    Amazing talent since both have admitted to working on alcohol.

  33. Jackie on 10 Nov 2018 at 7:53 pm #

    Ghost really does have a nice butt. Very firm and tight in his jeans. He accused me of rubbing against it in kitchen today while he was spreading finger sandwiches.

    I told him it was true but it was my shoulder colliding due to difference in our heights.

  34. Mark in TTown on 10 Nov 2018 at 7:54 pm #

    So many comics seem to have alcohol problems. And you have to wonder, if they had worked sober instead, would they have been funnier or not?

    Buster Keaton must have worked sober in his better films, because those stunts were too carefully planned and carried out to have been done by someone under the influence.

  35. TruckerRon on 11 Nov 2018 at 12:49 am #

    Many comics have struggled with clinical depression and/or bipolar disorder. Their creativity and wit stems from their deepest pain. Their abuse of alcohol or other substances is often a form of self-medicating, trying to make the pain tolerable.

  36. emb on 11 Nov 2018 at 6:26 am #

    Kenya: Greater kudu.

    https://explore.org/livecams/african-wildlife/african-animal-lookout-camera

    Peace,

  37. Llee on 11 Nov 2018 at 7:51 am #

    Oh Jimmy!

  38. TruckerRon on 11 Nov 2018 at 9:50 am #

    I wonder… had an officer told his troops that “we expect the enemy to make an all-out push this morning before ceasing hostilities. Hold the line! Throw everything you have at them, but hold the line!” Would that officer have been praised or court marshaled?

  39. Ghost on 11 Nov 2018 at 12:42 pm #

    Thank you. Jimmy. I’m proud to have served. Albeit happy it was not in a European trench during WWI.

  40. Ghost on 11 Nov 2018 at 12:56 pm #

    On the lighter side:

    Base Commander (some years ago): “Since Veterans Day falls on a Saturday, what can we do to honor our military veterans? I know, we’ll make everyone not on duty get dressed up, come in on their day off, and march in a ginormous parade on the flight line. After all, most of the veterans we’re honoring probably had to do that sometime during their own service.”

    Commander’s Aide: “Brilliant, sir! Absolutely brilliant!”

    Me (a member of a different-Major-Command tenant unit shift-worker): “Enjoy being in the parade, guys!”

  41. Ghost on 11 Nov 2018 at 2:29 pm #

    In November of 1918, my father’s younger and infant brother was so seriously ill with influenza that the country doctor seeing him had warned the family of his imminent death. Two days, later the doctor returned and declared that my uncle’s fever had broken and he would live. Almost at the same moment, the family was surprised and amazed to hear the sound of church bells pealing from all directions. A short time later, they learned that word had been received that the war in Europe had ended.

  42. curmudgeonly ex-professor on 11 Nov 2018 at 3:33 pm #

    http://grabsteine.genealogy.net/tomb.php?cem=3782&tomb=109&b=S&lang=de

    The above shows the resting place of my grandmother’s brother, Georg Schad, who fell at Flanders Field and is buried there. There are always casualties on both sides, especially among the lower ranks….
    This was the closer of my grandmothers, as she lived with us until her death during my 20th year. I daresay she influenced me considerably.

  43. Old Bear on 11 Nov 2018 at 4:02 pm #

    Some information:

    https://blog.fold3.com/world-war-i-armistice-signed-november-11-1918-100th-anniversary/?utm_source=tmih&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=tmih-nov-2018

    Comments also interesting.
    The reason for delay was unlike today’s instant communication it would the 6 hrs
    to get to all units by messenger.

    Rest In Peace

  44. Rick in Shermantown, Ohio on 11 Nov 2018 at 4:15 pm #

    Mark in TTown:

    Unfortunately, I can’t remember who interviewed Richard Pryor, but I can recall the question and answer. The interview took place after Pryor set himself on fire while freebasing and then went into rehab.

    Interviewer: Now that you are off drugs and alcohol altogether, do you think you are as funny as you used to be?

    Pryor: No, but I’m a lot happier.

  45. Ruth Anne in Winter Park on 11 Nov 2018 at 4:20 pm #

    We were fortunate in our families – my uncle (14 years older than my dad, who turned 13 on 11/13/18), both of Bob’s grandfathers and a great uncle – all came home. My uncle and one of the grandfathers also brought or sent home pictures, pictures that actually had names and locations written on them. I’ve enjoyed looking through them and we shared some of them on Facebook today. Wish it was easier to share pictures here.

  46. Ruth Anne in Winter Park on 11 Nov 2018 at 4:23 pm #

    OK, I’ll try this again. If it works, you’ll see my Uncle Harry, nicknamed Old Baldy, with a couple of his buddies in France.
    https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10213645919125621&set=pcb.10213645923645734&type=3&__tn__=HH-R&eid=ARB_92VZYHY8JZl0auDRAZiNesXYwwRrXjo6aqLgPa5PZgFveeyUvR9SnQPByLstwliMOHuhxeaegkE7

  47. SteveInTN on 11 Nov 2018 at 6:06 pm #

    Mr. Johnson,
    Regarding the Armistice Day A&J, could you please share a reference?
    I do envy the British custom of wearing a poppy for the day.

  48. Jackie on 11 Nov 2018 at 7:23 pm #

    We used to wear paper poppies here too.

  49. Jackie on 11 Nov 2018 at 7:32 pm #

    Facebook friends go to my page. Ghost let me put a photo of him in militsry uniform. He was awfully good looking and still is of course.

  50. Rick in Shermantown, Ohio on 11 Nov 2018 at 7:35 pm #

    “Remember the veteran.”

    To my dad, who was part of the occupational force at Nagasaki.

    To my father-in-law, who survived the Battle of the Bulge.

  51. SteveInTN on 11 Nov 2018 at 7:40 pm #

    I must add that I appreciate the carefully crafted “comic” strip.

    Regards

  52. Sideburns on 11 Nov 2018 at 11:19 pm #

    To a friend of mine who was in a live-fire exercise on Saipan training for the invasion of Japan when the news came of the Japanese surrender. There were fighter planes overhead giving them “cover,” so they were told to stay down and continue the exercise because the pilots hadn’t heard yet.

  53. Mark in TTown on 12 Nov 2018 at 8:00 am #

    Weather Underground got it right today. They said snow showers and it has been snowing since I got up this morning. Not sticking on the drive but covering ground, shrubs and parked cars. Hope Jackie doesn’t have any appointments in Tulsa as this is not a good day to be on the road here.

  54. Ghost on 12 Nov 2018 at 11:05 am #

    Appointment, yes. Tulsa, no. Dental appointment in Eufaula. The 1-3 inches of snowfall forecasted for Eufaula has not materialized.

  55. Sideburns on 12 Nov 2018 at 11:32 am #

    It started snow here sometime last night. By the time we went to bed, the ground and street were covered. It’s bad enough that Marcia had to put down a pee pad for her dog because the dog wasn’t willing to go outside, and the street hasn’t been plowed yet. Right now, it’s about 22 degrees, but feels like 8. I don’t know if the cat would go out if he had the chance, and I’m not planning on finding out, because that would mean that I had to go out after him. It wouldn’t be the first time, but I want to give myself some time to get used to weather like this before I have to do it again.

  56. Mark in TTown on 12 Nov 2018 at 11:46 am #

    It still isn’t sticking to the streets. Yesterday’s temps were in the upper 40′s and it’s over 40 today too. So I hope we won’t get a freeze and this will all melt away.

  57. emb on 12 Nov 2018 at 2:48 pm #

    Not sticking here, but the 2+” on the ground ain’t melting either. No thaw predicted until Th. Peace,

  58. Old Bear on 12 Nov 2018 at 3:06 pm #

    Cats in & out snow or cold – most times not too long
    Arnold looks out and turns around – he knows better.

  59. TruckerRon on 12 Nov 2018 at 5:01 pm #

    He made it to 95…

    https://www.ksl.com/article/46425750/comic-book-genius-stan-lee-spider-man-creator-dies-at-95

  60. Sideburns on 12 Nov 2018 at 7:19 pm #

    We didn’t get plowed until mid-afternoon, and there was still a strip of ice down the middle. Marcia’s dog wasn’t willing to go out until almost 4 PM but she only made a turn around Marcia’s car and came back in. We’re not surprised, as the snow was up to her chest where we’d messed it up earlier. She’s not done anything yet, that we know of, but if she does, we’ll understand. Leo has looked out an open door but not tried to get outside. However, when I came in and stomped some snow off of my shoes on the tile just inside the front door, he came over, gave it a few dubious sniffs, batted at it once or twice and left. I do hope that means that he’s not that thrilled by going out to explore until it’s melted.

  61. Ghost on 12 Nov 2018 at 8:36 pm #

    Re 11-12-18 cartoon: Pokies time!

  62. Mark in TTown on 12 Nov 2018 at 10:42 pm #

    Sideburns, as a California cat Leo probably asks himself, what is this stuff? On the other hand, it rarely snows much in Alabama but one of our cats loved it when it did. The first time he went out in it, he didn’t want to come back in. He was solid white with medium long hair, named Snowball. Once out in it he was hard to find when he sat still, since he blended in.

  63. Rick in Shermantown, Ohio on 13 Nov 2018 at 4:39 am #

    Sideburns:

    Myself, I usually wait until Saturday evening to get plowed.

    If work has been especially demanding, I might get plowed on Friday evening, but that rarely happens.

  64. TruckerRon on 13 Nov 2018 at 7:54 am #

    Rick, Sideburns:

    Are you two talking about the same thing?

  65. Mark in TTown on 13 Nov 2018 at 8:05 am #

    I guess if there is too much snow on the ground to get out, you might as well get plowed.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=96GCrZec5u8

  66. Ghost on 13 Nov 2018 at 11:07 am #

    Actually, as I recall, the 50-foot woman used bed sheets to fashion a halter-top-mini-skirt outfit before she escaped. Like anyone was going to shame her for running around naked.

    ::Squish:: Well, not more than once, anyway.

    Arlo and his buddy would have loved the 2016 film “Alice Through the Looking Glass”. Every time Alice (played by Mia Wasikowska) changed size due to eating and drinking various strange things, her clothes got either really really too big, or really really too small. Rather interesting to observe, either way.

  67. Ghost on 13 Nov 2018 at 11:13 am #

    Oops!

    https://images8.alphacoders.com/403/403455.jpg

    Some of the size differentials were more extreme than this.

  68. Ghost on 13 Nov 2018 at 11:14 am #

    Oops!

    https://images8.alphacoders.com/403/403455.jpg

    Some of the size differentials were greater than this.

  69. Sideburns on 13 Nov 2018 at 2:47 pm #

    Yesterday, sometime after 8 PM, Sadie finally left a deposit on the pee pad. In less than five minutes, Leo was over there pulling at the edges of the pad until he’d folded it over and “buried” the poop.

    This afternoon, when we got back from some errands, he slipped out the front door onto the porch. (We’d cleared that off yesterday after it stopped snowing for safety reasons.) When he reached the bottom step, he learned the hard way that the snow hadn’t crusted yet and that if he continued, he’d sink in at least to his belly. He stopped, turned right and tried going off the side only to find out that this would be just as bad. He came back to the top of the porch crouched and waited for me to pick him up and bring him back in. I doubt that he’s learned his lesson from this but I don’t expect him to try again for a few days.

  70. Sideburns on 13 Nov 2018 at 2:54 pm #

    It’s just the same when The Doctor regenerates; his clothes don’t fit any more (Just imagine the difference between Troughton and Pertwee.) which is one of the reasons for a new look. It’s a good thing that the new doctor isn’t that much shorter than the previous one because she didn’t have time to go shopping until the end of her first adventure.

  71. Rick in Shermantown, Ohio on 13 Nov 2018 at 7:12 pm #

    TruckerRon:

    Good question.

    If we aren’t, I think he should consider switching to my point of view.

  72. Sideburns on 14 Nov 2018 at 12:19 am #

    Well, I was wrong about Leo. He tried again and this time he didn’t let sinking into the snow stop him. I don’t think that he went very far because every time I went out and called, he came over to see what was going on, but never close enough for me to grab him. Late afternoon, I saw him in our back yard, and opened up the back door. He looked at me for a moment when I called, then carefully came over and on in without my help. He hasn’t been a completely good boy, today, but I’m very pleased that he was willing to come in on his own. Now, if he’d only start doing that when it’s not freezing outside, I’d be a lot less worried when he gets out.

  73. Llee on 14 Nov 2018 at 8:20 am #

    “no good deed” :)

    but we keep doing them! ! !