Girlz II Women

This odd little series ran back in 2004. It introduces Gene’s female friend “Sondra,” and the point of it all is, exactly what kind of “friend” is Sondra? Apparently she wasn’t a serious friend. After this week of introduction, she never appears again. I’m getting a bit of a late start this week; it’s a busy summer. However, over the next few days I will try to stick with the Sondra series to its conclusion.

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164 responses to “Girlz II Women”

  1. Arlo realizes he is officially “old.” Cute girl headed for Genes room to study. Grandchildren to come soon. It took about twelve years to happen.

    Comic time continuem.

  2. I just remembered why I only had one cute girl come to our house during my teen years. My brother was 3 years younger than I and, in the presence of any of my girl friends, a major pest, as only a younger brother can be.

  3. I actually had a Purdue cheerleader come up to my room in the dorm my Senior year. She actually thought that I was smart. As a gentleman, I left the door open so that she realized that she would be safe. However the Freshman on the floor would walk by and act so goofy, that I got up can shut the door.

    I bet you can’t imagine what happened next!…..sigh…. absolutely nothing. We actually got some decent studying done.

  4. Well, Ghost and Dickens are enroute to hear the Righteous Brothers tonight. One of my bucket list groups. It is sold out, so probably a room full of 60 70 and 80 year Olds!

    Ghost told our adorable hair stylist and she had no idea who we were going to see!

  5. Such a difference in energy between Gene and Sondra! The stance, the tempo, the effort to look at Arlo—and not, in Gene’s case. Even the size of the lettering! Even an eighth note—possibly unique in A&J. Even Sondra’s hairdo has more energy than Gene’s, just a little slant. Terrific. We’ll see if their personalities continue to play out this way. I just barely remember this sequence, I think.

  6. I have always liked this series and might have had something to do with its origin.

    As for gene, time to cue up zappa’s Wind Up Working in a Gas Station.

  7. 2.19 to 2.25 most places

    We have 2.16/9 in town cheapest around
    of course all Reg. is Ethanol

    Non Oxy is 2.69/9

    It all depends on the taxes.

    Like Hogwarts there was no visiting of opposite gender in my day. Not even mothers.
    Except once a quarter, Sunday afternoon – the door open and 1 foot of each person
    on the floor.

  8. True about opposite sexs in bedrooms in my day. No visiting in dorms either except in living room or lobby of dorm.

    Cars were where that was designated for.

    Oh studying. Library or living rooms or study halls.

  9. Mrs. Rick and I have been in Charleston, SC, since Sunday, and I am sorry to report that I have heard only some people using “y’all” and only one or two with a true Southern accent.

    I don’t like that change but can do nothing about it, of course.

    Charleston is changing, too. It’s starting to resemble Gatlinburg/Pigeon Forge.

    I don’t like that change, either.

    Fortunately, there are still many historical sites to visit.

  10. Oh what awful news. I used to love Charleston.

    I will not go anywhere in area of Branson or Pigeon Forge or Gatlinburg or Dolly wood. All places I loved forty or fifty years ago. When they were truly what they sell now.

    It is getting harder and harder to find America without the hype and fudge shops.

  11. Things were pretty strict when I went to school too, although Purdue was probably more conservative. We had to escort the ladies to our room and I think that they had to be out by 11:00 PM. The “Coed” dorms consisted of one totally separate section with men and the other with women. There was a lobby/lunchroom between the two. So they only saw each other during meals. One time a football player was standing near the bathroom and I slipped in as he was distracted. I could hear the shower but I couldn’t see anyone. As I left I heard him talking to his girlfriend in the shower. When I stayed overnight at my son’s dorm years later, I was shocked to see girls in the next room over from us.

    I am pretty sure that I have repeated myself here. Hopefully I remembered the stories the same!

  12. Steve, Most of us do. Every week, whether I need it or not. emb

    All: Following emails, edited & condensed, may be of interest:

    ‘Son, Better to have me, rather than a snide critic, point out that the possessive of “it” is “its” [as in his, hers, ours, etc.]. The contraction of “it is” is “it’s”. Love, Dad

    From: Son Sent: Friday, June 16, 2017 To: emb Subj: Re: STW; Thai Coke is losing it’s influence across the spectrum. With spicy Thai or Indian, IPAs or lagers seem to be best. . . or hot teas.

    On Jun 15, 2017, emb wrote: daughter, son, son [cc. others / info.]: All: I’m back from Summer Theology Workshop, all in one piece, no mishaps or wrong turns. STW went well; we learned a lot, ate better than we ever have before. Hope the new chef stays. Next summer, probably similar dates, we’ll be doing the Reformation, details still to be worked out. We could use a couple of Lutherans and maybe a nun. Stopped for takeout in Hackensack [MN, not NJ] at Udom’s Thai Restaurant, and just found it on the net: Plan to visit there again as opportunities arise. … A hoppish pale ale from Fargo went well. Best non-alcoholic beverage might be milk to counteract the spicy. Cannot comment on how well coke would do, because I abhor it. Love, emb”

    I thought “dave” had posted before, and am still not sure he never had. I’ve even had some whom I’ve never met in person compliment me for pointing out the difference btw. that and complement, or [e.g.] auger and augur.


  13. emb

    Glad your 🙂 back safe.
    Hackensack NJ (not MN) was where our Sears Store was.

    Milk or orange juice best to counteract HOT spice.

  14. In the normal course of events, I dislike corrections on matters typographical and minor grammar construction, provided the intent is clear. I’ve also appreciated when it is overlooked. For myself, when I see too many in row from my own keyboard, I will play at forced errors for a short time in an effort to reawaken my awareness. [though ‘proscribe’ was an honest gaffe that was significant]

    We all know the common ones, and read through them. But I will admit, that on another blog away from the village, the number of affects that have effected other items is stretching my patience.

    Thanks for listening, I feel better.

  15. I for one dislike myself or others being corrected. I type on a tiny keyboard on a phone most of time. Hal predicts what he likes, I rarely proof read a comment.

    This blog is Symply a trivial pursuit for me, mild entertainment, a diversion. I give little thought to what I say. Don’t proof or edit.

    No one is hanging on anyone’s words here except Jimmy’s. Why should any of us pretend this is a scholarly paper we are presenting?

  16. Most is done while driving on Oklahoma highways as I am now. Ghost is driving Jack, we just visited Llee in Missouri.

    Did I mention rough roads?

  17. Frank Cho, has moved on to other things long ago, but I still enjoy following reruns of Liberty meadows. A strange assortment of cartoon animals in a Maryland reserve interact with the veterinary staff. Today’s starts out mocking warehouse stores before going wrong for our hero.
    Reminded me of the comments on Tractor Supply being better for real life.

  18. Ruth Anne, thanks for sharing the pictures of your dinosaurs. You did a great job…I especially liked the triceratops and the way you edged the brown with the gray. The points on the horns look challenging to shape but came out beautifully.

  19. Bad Vietnamese food, always disappointing.

    Crazy 10 Miles Flea Market is going on this weekend on road from my house to town and going east toward Arkansas.

    Ghost and I plan to hunker down and protect the homestead from plundering and theft.

  20. I have several siblings who have learning disabilities. When they would write to me, their letters would have many spelling and grammar errors. I never made any comment to them about it. I was glad they were writing to me. If I wouldn’t correct my family, I sure won’t correct anyone else.

  21. Jackie,

    “Why should any of us pretend this is a scholarly paper we are presenting?” To my knowledge, nobody here has done that. Have run into many grammatical/spelling/typo goofs [cannot always tell which] in written and oral scholarly papers in the sciences, which may or may not be free of scholarly errors in the papers’ subject matter.

    Closest I have come here is tossing in, or quoting taxonomic names, just to familiarize readers with it. It’s a technique used one way and another, in The Mammals of Minnesota, 1982. E.g., if you look up ‘skunk, striped’, it says ‘see Mephitis.’ Worked pretty well in Mammalogy class.

    One might also ask, why should anyone EVER yell at another Villager?


  22. Whoops! “… just to familiarize readers with them.”

    Laura, I’d do the same with those known to have learning disabilities. I’m grateful that none of my kids do. All 3 are at least as smart as I, and, in some ways, as wise or wiser.

    Jackie, “This blog is Symply a trivial pursuit for me, mild entertainment, a diversion. I give little thought to what I say.” Having been reviled and worse here re a reader’s understanding of my intent, I suggest that is an unwise approach.


  23. Jackie, your posts are always well written and entertaining. Much good advice comes from you, and some serious wisdom and philosophy too. Don’t sell yourself short! You’re better than you give yourself credit for — too modest perhaps.

  24. We will never learn if not corrected.

    If it is a typo we will say “Yep” and move on.

    If it is an error we will say “I didn’t know that.” be wiser and move on.

    The key is to learn (or relearn) and move on.

  25. Dear emb, I’m glad that you had a good time at the Summer Theology Workshop. How nice it would be if every person in the world spent their summer vacation in such a safe and blameless way.

  26. How to tell that the Asian food you consumed was less than optimal: The stale fortune cookie you ate solely to cover the aftertaste of the food was actually much better than the food.

    Meanwhile, the maternal cockles of Jackie’s heart are warm indeed…she is sorting through onesies, baby t-shirts, baby knit pants, romper suits, etc., she bought for her former housekeeper’s newborn daughter…for the second time in 18 months. I suggested perhaps she might get her a book about the birds-and-the-bees.

    And the tiny strapless sundress she got Terrie the Getting Better Dressed All The Time Housekeeper makes me warm. 😉

  27. Just got in from a star party up a local canyon… it was a total waste of time and gasoline. Clouds blew in just as the sun was setting in spite of the whether channel’s prediction on clear skies and lower temps tonight.

  28. In my area of N. Illinois, gasoline was posted at $2.499 or $2.399 per gal. today. I have certainly experienced higher rates, but the cited ones aren’t exactly giveaways.

    This site does not like “give-aways” nor “give aways”, so I suppose it is as shown above. At this hour, I am not about to look it up. It is almost time for my sleeping pill, anyway. If anyone knows better, feel free to share that knowledge with me.

    Decided to check out for Greek and have just installed the Greek alphabet on my keyboard. It has got to be easier than Welsh…at least I can pronounce the stuff!

  29. Curmudgeon at least no one here will think we are smart enough to correct you and my Welsh friends would be too polite, despite fact one is a Druid, practicing sacrifice. He told me if he hadn’t killed that white Rooster my carotid surgery would have taken a different turn.

  30. Wishing everyone a wonderful International Sushi Day. Love and toro to all.

    Jackie is still wondering how a small town Deep South boy knows so much about sushi.

  31. I have never corrected anyone’s spelling nor grammar, written or oral, unless I was being paid to do so as an editor or writer. It strikes me as the greatest rudeness, not done from kindness or any motivation other than expressing the greater knowledge or superiority of the one doing the correcting.

    “It’s a dull man who can only find one way to spell a word,” President Andrew Jackson upon being corrected by a critic for his variable spelling.

  32. It looks like the 10 mile yard sale Jackie talked about might be a washout later. Sky has been solid gray since I got up at 8am. It rained last night before bed too.

  33. Jackie: Andrew Jackson’s retort is clever, perhaps amusing, and reminiscent of Humpty Dumpty’s comment in “Through the Looking Glass”: [].
    It is, however, irrelevant here.

    You wrote, “It strikes me as the greatest rudeness, not done from kindness or any motivation other than expressing the greater knowledge or superiority of the one doing the correcting.” You also wrote, “unless I was being paid to do so as an editor or writer.” That gets nobody off the hook. It is just as likely that a paid editor likes to express “greater knowledge or superiority” as an unpaid one. I like to copy edit, and I do it for free, as a service and therefore a “kindness”, at church, the hospital, and occasionally for individuals who appreciate my help. When I did it for pay, many students were grateful, and remain so. Please broaden your perception re copy editing, and please do not impugn my motives.

    I think we had best drop this.


  34. For the Village curiosity shoppe, there is a photo of Ghost on my Facebook page, along with our brunch today in kitchen. He is eating well and the rural life is growing on him.

  35. TruckerRon, or the relatively small mistake of confusing Eugene with Joseph, Democrat for Republican, Minnesota for Wisconsin. I kept thinking you would update that item. I have read somewhere that Gene Day is named for Eugene McCarthy. One of the good guys. I’ve often wondered how things would be if the former Senator from Minnesota had been put forward in ’76 rather than the Governor from Georgia.

    Sorry to hear of your sky party, growing up in the leeward shadow of the Cascades meant weekend plans up there often changed last minute. Mountains make their own weather. Backup plan was to settle in and enjoy nature anyway, or drive on to the big city on the other side. It was simpler when fun did not require advance reservations.

  36. Oh, my mistake. I thought digging up moldy old items from months ago with no purpose was the game we were playing this Father’s Day weekend for entertainment.

    That or helping friends see where they had made an error, so they would be better informed. Perhaps I’ve become confused.

    I did not realize I had interjected into an argument. I must have misread the situation, I apologize. Carry on.

  37. Thanks David. I would never gotten that joke nor would Ghost.

    He says that joke was a little too inside baseball if you didn’t follow Family Circus. Neither of us ever have, I find the children and family cloying and saccharine.

    Ghost says the children are a bunch of little $#!+s who couldn’t walk a straight line. Billy?

  38. Ghost and I just finished breakfast of sliced home grown tomatoes on whole wheat bread with mayo, salt and pepper. He added ham to his and tortilla chips, I added almonds and dried pineapple. Iced tea, he Coke.

    We are sharing this highly addictive gourmet nut trail mix called Power Up Mega Omega trail mix.

    Woke up at 8.15 a.m. by violent lightening and thunderstorm over house. Couldn’t go back to sleep so stayed in bed all morning and just had breakfast.

    Ghost says this should be called Crack Brand trail mix for its addictive qualities.

  39. Jackie, yes it was Billy. Doing his innocent version of a Bloomsday stagger through the adventures of an elementary aged boy’s life. It was one of the things my son would trace with his finger and enjoy, before learning to read the caption. Thanks for the tip-off David. It brings the joke home.

    I also no longer relate to the comic, but went to look it up now, after reading David. ‘Jeffy’ has drawn Billy taking over for Dad on this Father’s Day. I may have to put it back in rotation.

    That trail mix is supposed to refuel your efforts during exercise. Oh, right. Enjoy!

  40. Happy Father’s Day to all the Village Dads. And Happy Nice Guys Day to all the Village Not-Dads. (Soliciting input: there should be an apostrophe in “Guys,” shouldn’t there?”

  41. Three options that I see Smigz.

    Is it a day about all the Nice Guys out there: no apostraphe

    A day that belongs to that one Nice Guy in your life: before the s

    A day that belongs to all the Nice Guys everywhere: after the s

    I’ve actually witnessed on argument over Father’s, and, or Mother’s Day. Which I thought kind of missed the point. If you write the bill you get to decide the Official Spelling For All to Abide Forevermore, and Stop Asking About It. [that’s supposed to be funny, YMMV]

  42. Circled back to write, if you’ve ever been curious how Leo Bloom spent his day on the 16th if June, A.D. 1904 in the fair city of Dublin, allow me to save you some time. Drunk and badly. Plus 265,000 more words.

    I wish good things for all the Irish, but I cannot get back the time I spent with James Joyce’s hero reading Ulysses. If you count among your feathers Crime and Punishment, War and Peace, and Moby-Dick — and further want to explore the development of author’s voice in fiction — go for it. This reader ended up feeling dirty and exhausted. Very likely exactly what Mr. Joyce intended.

    The highly vaunted dirty humor that had it banned for some time before clearing our Supreme Court is at the level of maybe an eleven year old in my time. Youths today would probably find it tame by third grade.

  43. Went out and weeded, cleaned out beds on my private garden patio off kitchen. Tomorrow I replant some shrubs, more iris, more day lilies out there. Replant hanging baskets. Add rose Moss or portulaca to beds that edge patio.

    This was last project I gave prior help before they were let go. It is a mess of course.

    Ghost is trying to help me put all this behind me and move on. He is so supportive.

    Me, I am thrilled to be out weeding and working in flower garden. I am one month post op on knee replacement and I thought I would be very disabled far longer and more severely.

  44. Jackquline Monies:

    I need to add some information about Charleston.

    It hasn’t gone the way of Gatlinburg/Pigeon Forge in regard to rides and large attractions.

    It does resemble G/PF in that King Street and a good deal of the historic downtown is now one bar, restaurant, and hotel after another and in that the streets and sidewalks are fairly crowded.

    However, there is a bright side to this.

    The urban blight that has struck so many old downtowns (as it has here in Shermantown) due to shopping centers, malls, and the Internet is being reversed in Charleston thanks to increased tourism.

    The increased tourism for the restaurants also means that some of them also go to the historic mansions and sites such as the USS Yorktown, Fort Sumter, and Fort Moultrie. Fortunately, that means that more money for preservation and restoration.

    So, even though it is losing some of the true historic charm and feel, I am grateful that it is not dying and is beginning to reverse the decay.

  45. Jackie, your progress notes have been uplifting and impressive. While you very likely would have done well anyway, I believe you have had wonderful help both medical and domestic. It has been so nice to read here.

    Really looking forward to Phase II, August I think you offered once. Make you feel like an even keel again. At this rate, the new year is looking very good.

    August had me think of the eclipse again. Plans for nearby you, or further off? Thought you might be hosting some of that young family for the event.

  46. Thanks for the note about Charleston. I spent a week or more there about 20 years ago doing a floral show and stayed in waterfront hotel. I had sprained ankle, torn ligament so all I saw was hotel and a close by Greek restaurant.

    I was afraid it had gone to all fudge shops, tacky gift shops, tour rides on Ducks, that sort of thing. I have been there many times, kind of driving through or stopping for night or to eat a meal but not for so many days as during show. Everyone else went sightseeing and to fantastic restaurants while I designed and worked.

  47. I went to look, and realize my mistake. A line of Nebraska, Missouri, Tennessee, South Carolina is closer to the mark. My error.

    The thought gave me reason to look though, so thanks.

  48. Jackquline:

    There are indeed many stores that fill formerly empty spaces, and quite a few of the new stores are gift shops and a couple are ice cream/fudge shops.

    However, they are more trendy and expensive instead of tacky and cheap.

  49. Jackquline:

    I forgot to mention that I am still the most bothered by the paucity of speakers with true Southern accents.

    It seems that Charleston is seeing an influx of Northerners relocating there, especially Ohioans.

    Worse, though, is that even many native-born Charleston persons have no accent whatsoever.

  50. Thank you, Morphy, for your thoughtful answer to my dilemna. My mind counseled the third choice for guys…but then it always does that for dads and moms, too.

    Jackie, your garden activities are making me smile! I’ve been working on an old shrub border and a old perennial border, and I’m eating aspirin like M&Ms. Wrong time of year for perennial moves, I know, but as the admired gardener Janet Macunovich says, “The best time to do something is when you have the time.” (She also said, “You never know a plant until you’ve killed it.”) Keep on diggin’, girl!

  51. Smigz, thanks for the note. I thought Nice Guys’ Day was your goal, that’s why I eliminated towards it. A day to give to all those Nice Guys we meet in the world, for them to have in celebration. Sorry the joke was flat. I guess I attempted a small satire on language development, and attempted dry humor in line with Douglas Adams, or the group Monty Python. At risk of being tedious, I’ll elaborate.

    While English is strange to most Western styles coming from Europe, its German roots have shamelessly borrowed, broken, twisted and stolen from every language it meets. And it met a lot of them because of the English Navy, largely an uneducated bunch in the graceful letters. USAmericans have been exceptionally creative. I firmly respect Tradition, and note Rick’s observations. I too, have a very strong sense of nostalgia. [1 of 2]

  52. [2 of 2] I also admire the French, for many reasons, particularly how their language allowed them to form, discuss, and develop new, finer ideals in Liberty, and directing our revolutions. I find a large irony, from a USAmerican viewpoint, that the French have a very special Académie française, complete with forty Immortals, that frown very sternly on new developments to that language no matter how it is used by the youth on the street. Strong contrast to the now respected, no-longer-young men of N.W.A., a vocal group whose full name is as unprintable here as on their album covers.

    What I mean is, here full creative power is vested in the author to use or create any combination of glyphs that still clearly communicates their message, without submitting for approval. Consumers have the freedom to be confused and not be fans of the offered work. But there is a long distance between right and wrong, a glorious grey area most of us revel in. Some reveal and others revile. De gustibus(…), I’ve seen here lately.

    In these short paragraphs, I did not find a place to put the acknowledgement that most (per capita (by head (number of speaking blow-holes[more misplaced humor]))) Western languages are Latin in root. Creating the structural difference that cause so many to complain how hard English is to learn. But these are only two of the ancient roots in the world. I had to tack it on before any thought I lacked that note. N.W.A. was chosen as an example of creative type, rebellious in general, not a comment on race. Could have used a Wide Variety of ’60s counter-culture, but that would have struck too close to home for some. Best to illustrate by pointing at someone else.

  53. Tried calling Debbe on phone, got Ian instead and he was supposed to give her message. I have twice called with no answer because there is no answering machine.

    Ghost sent emails too. Ian is off line because he is not on his gaming page.

  54. Jackie, I now see you as Jamie Lee Curtis in A Fish Called Wanda. But she had a thing for Cyrillic\Slav\Russian. I think Mark has used that one here before.

  55. Jackie, I understand it would be Debbe’s to share, but I find myself curious for health updates on Dad. Pass on good words, please.

  56. OB @ 2:56 this afternoon: Good One!

    Latin is the basis for all the romance [= “from Rome”] languages and also for a large portion of English via those languages. Studying Latin was the best thing I ever did in learning both vocabulary & parts of speech. I suspect a good part of the benefit occurred because I learned it formally right from the start, as opposed to having learned English bit-by-bit during my younger years.

  57. Anon, that is why English is not referred to as a Romance (from Rome) language. It, like its Queen, and her family, is of German descent. It makes extensive use of loan words from Rome, that have become English in use. But structure and origin is different. I’m surprised your classic education did not help with this.

  58. Jackie, and what if the 6 o’clock news you watch is from the BBC? You still wouldn’t sound like American Standard, would you? I think different accents and dialects are interesting and they lead you to listen more carefully to what is said.

    If it hadn’t been for Benny Hill, I wouldn’t know what Bristols mean in British slang.

  59. OOh! OOOOH! Mister Kotter!

    Yes, Horchack?

    I had that strong of a reaction, to your mention of Benny Hill. After cycling my mind past the girls and Yakety Sax, and remembering his role in Chitty Chitty, Bang Bang. I was reminded of my recent embarrassment.

    I’m looking forward to see the abomination of a new Gong Show. And I will admit, the commercial had me totally suckered. I was surprised to learn that Mike Myers had been mocking a British personality, the great Tommy Maitland all these years.

    I was, of course, corrected. That *is* Mike Myers in character as the great Tommy Maitland.

  60. TruckerRon, I read you there and well done. Sorry for not giving a heads-up or being more polite, I’ll explain. For the record I agree with your original point, but getting there from a bad start is poor logic. I wrote five paragraphs at the time, and two more on your hobby, and set it aside. I have no reason to correct you. I think it is worth remembering that at one time Ronald Reagan, Eugene McCarthy, and John Fitzgerald Kennedy were all Democrats; then your pendulum swings.

    I believe there are a few contributors here colluding off blog to coordinate in advance. When I saw the strategy in motion, you became part of a performance art piece to drive the point home. Correcting others is so correct, how can anyone offend? If I had told you first, I would have been communicating behind the scenes too. I felt you were secure in your opinion, and could absorb it. Sorry for not asking first. I am open to your critique.

    If others enjoy their sport, go for it. There is no National Security issue here. It is only unpleasant, nothing more. I will enjoy Jimmy Johnson’s Arlo & Janis in any case. I only mention this here at all, because here is where it started, and I believe in transparency. And bringing things to a close, to get on with other things.

  61. Except that Ghost and I share a bed now there is no collusion. While we share many of same opinions I never ask if I can post anything and just blurt it out.

    We did collude to come up with solution to maintain his anonymity as best we can. He is still Ghost and no photos allowed that show his face. Body and small percent of head allowed.

    Conspiracy and collusion but posts still independent.

  62. Nah, Jackie, no suspicion there. And I doubt anyone in a hundred miles is worried. But if Ghost hasn’t already guessed, it was the combo of his disappearance without worry on your part that signaled my hope of something fun. And happiness is hard to hide. Kept my trap shut to not jinx it. Seriously, good for you both.

  63. Mark, sincerely, no joke, best laugh I’ve had since last week. Thanks.

    I don’t pretend they are brilliant. Sometimes it is nice just to get them out.

  64. Last night I heard a loud noise out front, this morning, another accurate portrayal of our home life in the daily A&J. Jimmy , thanks for keeping this one PG 🙂

  65. Wow! Sand is back! Stay awhile, we miss you.

    Going to wake up Ghost and tell him. Well, I would wake him up anyway but this will give him a second reason to be happy.

  66. Just read story about Carrie Fisher. Ignoring the part about the pharmacy she ingested I was struck by the sleep apnea story because I too have severe apnea.

    When I was diagnosed in early 1980s neither I nor anyone else had ever heard of it. There was little treatment. Not until late 1990s did I begin using a CPAP. I had surgery which made it worse.

    Have used a CPAP fairly consistently for twenty years. Without it my breathing and heart stops about every minute I am told. You do not want to dose while traveling, not in a car or a plane.

    Mentioning this because people, including me, are ashamed to have this, don’t wear their masks and are embarrassed to sleep with their partners while wearing hoses that look like space aliens.

    This is me urging you to get tested, wear the CPAP machines, lose weight and exercise, don’t die of cardiac arrest because you are too embarrassed to get treated.

    Listening to Ghost breathing beside me. He is going to be tested too. We will make a great pair.
    Our hoses may get tangled and we end up on wrong machine!

    But he tells me when I stop breathing or my machine stops. He cares which no one else did.

    Glad I had courage to come out about apnea. It is a serious disorder that kills.

  67. This one’s funny. A female friend on Facebook began a defense of our President with statement she was 49 years old and she had never seen such abuse of an American President.

    Since her daughter and my daughter were best friends in school since pre-K and my daughter is now 42 years old it struck me that she struck wrong key on computer or she is youngest mother to ever give birth.

    She did not list Truman or Eisenhower among the American Presidents she had lived through, beginning with Kennedy. I always thought we were same age?

  68. What Jackie said. Embarassment didn’t affect my sleeping with my ex. But she couldn’t stand to have the air blow over her so had to sleep with my back to her.

    Still better than waking 75 + times every hour and becoming the walking dead during the daytime. Driving 45 minutes to work and not remembering the trip.

  69. Not only am I talented at driving backwards with a 53-foot trailer behind me, I managed to develop sleep apnea after having a cardiac arrest due to an arrhythmia. This was confirmed by reviewing medical records — I did not snore or otherwise show any apnea symptoms during my week in the hospital. OTOH, over the next six months I progressively needed more sleep (up to 11 hours) and got less benefit from it… and noticeably began snoring, gasping for breath, and ceasing to dream. After getting the CPAP things rapidly turned around, with vivid dreams and much more effective sleep (8 hours is enough).

    There are several mask options to choose from: full face (covers mouth & nose), nasal (covers the nose), and nasal pillows (fits against the nostrils). I went with the minimalist approach and have nasal pillows.

  70. I have commented several times about my CPAP here, but I agree that it is am important device as sleep apnea can be very serious. I have a mild case, but part of it for me is mental. I have certainly seen the positive affects as I wake up every morning at 5:45. As long as I go to bed at a decent time, I don’t lack for sleep. A lot of people have issues with the mask, but it is worth it. As far as air blowing, that is very true. My wife and I sleep in separate beds due to it. But we wake up at different times and on those nights when one of us is tossing and turning, it is worth having my own bed. Trust me, we are together when it counts.

    I am not a physician nor a coroner, but I found it interesting that apnea was listed as a main cause. It is a cause, but it is due to the long term nature. Certainly in Carrie’s case ingesting cocaine at age 60 or taking ecstasy or heroin should have been common sense. I think her brother stated it well in that there were a LOT of factors that contributed to her death.

  71. Think I posted about meeting a local rancher down at our Chinese restaurant where sweet owner asked about why his son had not been coming in?

    He tried to explain to her that he had died, ended up explaining to me, the only customer in restaurant. Son was in late 20s, obese, laid around watching TV, gaming, eating. Was found dead on sofa and autopsy showed cardiac arrest, most likely due to sleep apnea untreated.

    Dad had apnea and used CPAP and you could tell he blamed himself. He was talking about it to others he said to show how serious it could be.

  72. It’s nice that we are discussing a positive note out of that unprofessional example of coroner’s report. It is difficult to tell how it has been twisted in presentation by the ghouls/journalists.

    I too have one of those machines, and also have not used it for all those reasons. As a personal observation only, no blanket statement on others, I have noticed what Jackie mentions. My degree of suffering is directly related to the size of my waistline. It is not the cause, but it does affect the degree of disruption. Losing a few pounds effects a positive change. [that felt good to write]

    TruckerRon, that anecdote makes me wonder again at the intertwined systems that keep us functioning upright. Creates a curiosity whether we should look beyond localized air pressure for a preventative solution.

  73. Jackie, meant to give sympathy over the attempted surgical solution in your past. I know every case is different, but it was the few stories like yours that had me seeking lifestyle changes instead. But they are only partial solutions.

    I sympathize with the disappointment you must have had, back then.

  74. Morphy, one physician who examined me regarding the apnea told me there was no solution for me other than the CPAP. He explained that the anatomy of my oral cavity was largely to blame for my sleep apnea. The structure of my mouth made it too easy for the soft tissues to block my airway when they relaxed in sleep.

    I did hear a couple of years ago that testing was being done to see if a nerve stimulator would work. The idea was that a device would be inserted into the nerves controlling the muscle tension of the mouth. A sensor would detect when the tissues began to cover your airway and send a signal to tauten up the muscle, unblocking your airway.

  75. Mark, yes, and I may be assuming too much, but I believe that is what Jackie’s surgeon had proposed to fix, many disappointing years ago. A sort of internal ‘plastic’ surgery reconstruction of the flaccid structure which collapses when relaxed in slumber. Unfortunately, skill levels and understanding of structures involved is a variable. Progressing forward we hope.

    Separate observation, historical beds were very short. Not because we are so much taller, but because many chose not to sleep fully reclined. The footboard was functional, it stopped the body from sliding lower while the upper body was inclined, either structurally or by mounded pillows. Snoring, and frustrated lovers, have been with us a long time.

  76. The surgery for sleep apnea is no longer done since it does not cure or improve it. It does cause asphyxiation by inhaling liquids or foods including sinus drainage. I learned to do self administration of the heimlic since I lived alone 90% of my marriage.

    Neither Hal nor I can spell Heimlich it seems.

  77. Not speaking to your personal condition, Jackie, but similar malformations in structure cause some of us without surgical changes to experience similar difficulties. I’m not sure that any tending physician would offer an opinion on what was extant before, or what was changed by, the procedure of long ago. Describing ‘normal’ first demands establishing ‘most desirable’ and the two are not the same.

  78. Jackie, if I were you, I’d call BS on that woman on FarceTomb. If she’s 49, simple arithmetic will tell you that she was born in ’68, and couldn’t possibly remember Kennedy and any memories she has of LBJ are from after he left office.

  79. Sideburns and Jackie, I don’t recall any getting this level of abuse starting even before they were inaugurated, but I remember several that approached or passed it after giving sufficient reason. My actual recollection starts with Nixon, but I do know LBJ was getting hell enough to stop him running for reelection.

  80. Dropping this off, Don’t know how far in advance this was submitted.

    Other subject, on the 30th annual memorial of that day in November (maybe 35th), my father told me of the hush that feel over the mess hall when the news was given. One of those shared cultural memories. Then he asked for my memory of the event, like it was a token password or something. It was difficult to re-explain to him.

  81. Ghost, had to look that up. I had thought, eh, the F-150 is a good truck and all, but why all the excitement? I learned better. Got any Baja Truck Racing in mind? Some pretty serious stats on that rig.

  82. Oklahoma has given me just two disappointments so far; however, both are serious, by my lights. The first, a dearth of sundress-wearing females, I have already mentioned. (I am doing my part to remedy that, with Jackie’s help. Terrie the Svelte Housekeeper has been gifted with a couple of suitably skimpy numbers.)

    The second, an even more bitter disappointment to me, is the equal scarcity of females displaying pokies in this state. There are lots of t-shirts in evidence, but I can only presume the supporting undergarments are made of Kevlar. I feel Arlo’s pain.

  83. Update: Terrie the “Who Wears Short-Shorts” Housekeeper’s next clothing gift will be a pair of tiny multicolored shorts and a sheer pull-over blouse…supporting undergarment (at least theoretically) optional.

    I swear, it’s like having a living Barbie doll (although brunette and more realistically proportioned) running around here keeping house. As I’ve said, hanging with Jackie is never dull.

  84. Ghost was supposed to mention that I also have a red Viper of similar size and authenticity. It is in my library on a shelf.

  85. Well… who should we believe?

    CNN: “NOAA predicts an ‘above average’ Atlantic hurricane season, with 5 to 9 hurricanes expected” “2017 Atlantic Hurricane Season Forecast Calls For a Near-Average Number of Storms, Less Active Than 2016”

    Colorado State University: “CSU team predicts slightly below-average 2017 Atlantic hurricane season”

  86. Don’t know if I’ve got a case of apples/oranges here. But didn’t last year start off with a TS developing 2 days *before* the new season’s official start? Please correct.

  87. As I see it, TR, your three predictions include only one contradiction: CNN and CSU cannot both be correct. and CNN are OK as long as 2016 had more than 5-to-9 hurricanes and “near-average” includes 5-to-9. and CSU would be in agreement if “near-average” includes being on the low side of average.

    Did I think that out correctly?

  88. cxp, full marks for the logic puzzle. But I think the point was three approaches to presenting one set of data.

    Akin to the IRS. One set of laws, one set of books, present to 17 different accounting firms, and receive 20 different results. Puzzle that. Or just say, it’s complicated.

  89. Probably. Except that they are most definitely NOT my predictions.

    In my lifetime the whether people have improved their accuracy a bit, but not enough for me to trust their forecasts to be right more than a couple of days out. I don’t believe their long-term forecasts of hurricane seasons to be more than wild guesses.

    In 2013 the Washington Post ran an article with this graphic, comparing hurricane season forecasts with what happened:

  90. English is such a sloppy language… I doubt he really meant they were mine, just ones I’d referred to. After all, this isn’t a debating society so much as a village pub without the ale.

  91. Morphy, the difference between scientific weather forecasting and the average person talking about the weather is the difference between an educated guess and a wild-a++ guess, they’re both guesses.

  92. Mark, and therein lies the hubris. When mortals believe their guesses are fact.

    Keep questioning.

    TruckerRon, I agree with the sentiment. But the word ‘your’ instead of ‘their’ suggests intent behind the keystrokes.

  93. The current “Yellowstone Hotspot” has been going for quite a while. There’s evidence that shows movement of the magma plume under the continental plate for several million years.

    The current Yellowstone hotspot is under a caldera a mere 640,000 years old. The point of note is that there are two “resurgent domes” in the area, Sour Creek and Mallard Lake, that indicate rising magma. That may well result in an eruption in the near future (geological time).

    Of course, the last eruption was more than twice as long ago as Homo sapiens has existed as a species. The recent find in Morocco suggests that we may be as much as 300,000 years old. Then again, any sign of civilization beyond hunter/gatherer is thought to be no more than 10,000 or years ago. With that in mind, it is likely that civilization and possibly humans won’t exist by the time the plume erupts into a volcano again.

    I certainly won’t lose any sleep over it this decade, and I doubt that I’ll lose any sleep over it for my portion of the remainder of the century.


  94. Ghost: Thanks for the Yellowstone update. Info has been available for ages, but many likely do not know of it. Our precaution, decided by generous fate in summer ’58, was to move here, where the ashfall should be bearable. We can sleep four or so.

    A more immediate but lesser concern is that the days are getting shorter. We’ve had highs in the 80s in the last few weeks, but temp reached only 70F today. To celebrate the solstice, supped on the patio, but added my terrycloth bathrobe to my usual around-the-house garb. Warmed over pizza + a Cheap Date Session Ale from Arcadia Brewing in Kalamazoo. Not as hoppy as a pale ale or IPA, but good. ABV 4.5%.


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